OPINION & POLL: Barack OBAMA will destroy Mitt ROMNEY

I think Romney will get his ass handed to him against Obama.

That's why all the "Real Conservatives" should vote for Gingrich or Santorum, because they would do soooo much better against Obama in 2012.

{yuck yuck}

The polls don’t vote. Single that at election time.

Moby, Adam Smith believed in a PROGRESSIVE tax, and wrote that the RICH should pay even MORE than their minimal "fair" share.

IMHO a flat tax is the WORST scenario. It simply means a % and the poor amongst us would be hit the hardest per disposable income. The flat tax is a Norquist joke being masqueraded as a real deal. The progressive tax rates we have, probably need to be tweaked (ie 15% on money YOU didn't work for) to reflect current conditions, but really do represent the fairest way to tax ALL Americans.

what is Obama's TRUE rate of taxes paid....Hard to compare Mitt's 15% when you can't other millionaire rates. I do know we pay 30%

57 states or is it 58 states I forget....just saying

More than three years of Obama and your go-to counter-argument is an easily explained, meaningless, misspoken gaffe from his campaign? No wonder Obama's going to beat Mitt.

SW -

More then three years and you keep making excuses for Obama and his many other foot in mouth comments. So lets look at some of the more recent examples of his oratory, uber educated skills:

Sept. 2011: "We’re the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad," Barack Obama.

Sept 2011: Obama told a joint session of Congress, and the American people, that Abraham Lincoln founded the Republican Party.

Feb 04, 2010 · The way Obama supports the men and women in the military he is turning Medics into Corpse Men ! (it's Corpsmen)

Jul 18, 2008: "Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world."

Obama speaking to a question from an Austrian reporter at the 2009 G-20 Meeting:

Obama said his debut on the international stage had convinced him that "political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate," where he served before entering the White House. "There’s a lot of -- I don’t know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing, and people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics..."

Obama said that his uncle "was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz." It was the Soviets who liberated Auschwitz.

And the examples of his legendary silver tounged PR flubs go on and on. If the number of PR flubs are what you are basing your election choices then Mitt has the election in the bag.

Every politician makes gaffes, AD. Some of Obama's have been severely damaging, others not so much. I wasn't criticizing gaffes in general terms. I was pointing out that Mitt Romney has made a lot of statements lately that point to him being rich and privileged, and that's not going to help his public image.

The problem is, in Mitt's case, it's not a gaffe. It's just the honest truth. He is rich and privileged, and when he lets pesky facts out like his 15% income tax, it just helps to illustrate that point. I'm talking about building his image as a rich man in an economy that doesn't favor rich men, as part of a collective whole. That's a far cry from various verbal flubs over the course of three years.

Yes Mitt openly admits to being rich and privileged. Obamais equally rich and privileged. (and not I am not comparing who has the bigger bank account...from where I sit, and mostly likely you as well...makes little difference if their assessed wealth is "only" 5 million or 50 million - both men are rich! Obama may have started out small potatoes but along the way he has developed an impressive net worth since his days as an ACORN Organizer.

My feeling is if you find fault with one for openly admitting he is rich you should also be mad about the one who is rich but trys to convince the American voters he's "the common man."(There is nothing "common man" about a single vacation costing $4 million...at least not in my book.)

That's why I talked about it in terms of a PR problem, AD. Obama is well-off, but his campaign has done a good job of making him appear more-or-less like a regular guy. Approachable. The kind of guy you could just sit and have a talk with.

Romney's campaign has done a pretty terrible job of the same goal. Something about his personality just exudes wealth, no matter how many times he takes off his tie or rolls up his sleeves. On top of that, you have him telling anecdotes about meeting with his financial advisor or paying 15% of income taxes. His statements are adding to the already problematic vision of him as an out-of-touch rich guy.

That's why I was confused by your counter-argument. I wasn't talking about silly flubs and gaffes, I was talking about public image. Obama's public image is pretty likable. Romney's is less so. He needs to solve that problem and stop adding to it if he wants to have a prayer against Obama, because voters these days tend to cast their ballot for the guy they want to have a beer with.

Maybe that's not fair, but it's the political reality of our day. In an economic climate where even your fellow Republicans are criticizing you for being rich hoping it will score them some points, that's a serious detriment to his electoral hopes.

A big difference between $250,000,000. and almost $3,000,000

http://documents.nytimes.com/president-obamas-2008-income-tax-returns

Steve W...

I can see your point. Obama does have a better PR team cleaning up after him. And a good PR team can make or break either come election time. We still have a LONG horse race ahead of us before Nov. 4th. A lot can happen in either camp. If nothing else, American voters can be counted on as having short term memories.

If nothing else, American voters can be counted on as having short term memories.

I know the GOP is counting on this!

as are the Dems.

that is starting to turn around Vlad. The people that are getting exploited by low wages (Chinese, Indians, etc) are starting to realize what is going on and starting to get vocal about it.

It appears the only people getting rich (sickeningly rich in comparison) are the people that are the employers. Imagine that.

No the owners of the Chinese factories that are doing work for American owners.

Kinda like what happened here that we are finally waking up to......It just isn't taking the overseas labor 30 years to figure it out.

Eek! What is up with your shift key? All lower case here and headlines in all caps? And this:

ya all need to get off what every your drinking your on.

Nope. I don't have a translator for that.

I know five of the posters here and I don't think any of us venture into the MSNBC threads. I wonder why you and CC jump out and assume it's all about love for Obama instead of the fact that he IS the dem candidate and Mitt is the frontrunner. Get hold of yourselves.

I wasn't referring to you Moby. It's seems to be if you are against Romney, Perry, Tom, Dick or Harry, you must be an Obama supporter, therefore an MSNBC fan and hence an idiot. So, ten more months of this. I guess I jumped onto the wrong thread. I am against Romney for a host of reasons and I do support Obama in spite of many issues I have. I'm just not prepared for the fighting. Sorry if I offended you.

will neenie, you just go on fighting for a lost cause. the o is not a dem he is a dino. at least with the gop you know what ya got coming.

you all are the ones that need to get hold of yourself's!

you msnbc obama loving people need to look out the real world. he is not doing well obama that is. ROMNEY is not doing anything obama is not doing, the o guy only pays 15% just all the rest of the rich.

ya all need to get off what every your drinking your on.

Whoa! Hold up wait a minute let me put some crump up in it! What does Love have to do with it? I love a whole lot of people but it does not mean I would vote for them. And I love My Ice Tea but I am Not Tea Tea Partier. Kool Aid Drinker Is nothing but a talking point that really don't mean a Darn Thing. Just a negative talking point that suppose to have a Negative connotation about someone generally spoken by someone who may have been brain washed to believe this crap.

I love President Obama and I will be voting for him because I like most of his policies. I Do Not like these Republicans Candidates policies and in some cases lack of policies. They are just repeated policies many of the same policies that got us into this mess. I don't need MSNBC, Fox, NBC, ABC, and all the other alphabet stations to think for me. All I've got to do is use my God Given Senses and Look, Listen, Think (Fact Check). It doesn't take me long to come to the conclusion of Hell Hell No! I do not any of these Republican Candidates to be my President.

you msnbc obama loving people need to look out the real world.

Out in the real world, Obama's got nicks on his belt called Osama bin Laden, and Muammar Gaddafi.

And Mitt Romney has a dog on the roof of his car, and likes to fire people.

I know which one will play better with the electorate.

what is Obama's TRUE rate of taxes paid....Hard to compare Mitt's 15% when you can't other millionaire rates.

Here you go, and Obama obviously has a better accountant than you.

According to the First Family’s 2010 tax return [2], the Obamas paid in excess of $450,000 in federal taxes—more than the President’s $400,000 salary. Much of the family’s income is from book sales, which slowed over the past year, causing their income to dip from $5.5 million in 2009 to $1.7 million last year. As the New York Times notes [3], the Obamas had a tax rate of just over 26 percent.

http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/check-out-president-obama-and-vp-bidens-2010-tax-returns

26%...sounds like Obama needs to borrow Romeny's tax loop hole specialist. By the way...if you look at teh Tax rates posted by the IRS Romeny AND Obama as well as most memebrs of Congress who pay any of their federal taxes are paying well under the 35% tax rate posted for people making over $350.00

Single Filing Status

[Tax Rate Schedule X, Internal Revenue Code section 1(c)]

• 10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
• 15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
• 25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
• 28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
• 33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
• 35% on taxable income over $379,150.

Married Filing Separately Filing Status

[Tax Rate Schedule Y-2, Internal Revenue Code section 1(d)]

• 10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
• 15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
• 25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $69,675, plus
• 28% on taxable income over $69,675 to $106,150, plus
• 33% on taxable income over $106,150 to $189,575, plus
• 35% on taxable income over $189,575.

Head of Household Filing Status

[Tax Rate Schedule Z, Internal Revenue Code section 1(b)]

• 10% on taxable income from $0 to $12,150, plus
• 15% on taxable income over $12,150 to $46,250, plus
• 25% on taxable income over $46,250 to $119,400, plus
• 28% on taxable income over $119,400 to $193,350, plus
• 33% on taxable income over $193,350 to $379,150, plus
• 35% on taxable income over $379,150.

Married Filing Jointly or Qualifying Widow(er) Filing Status

[Tax Rate Schedule Y-1, Internal Revenue Code section 1(a)]

• 10% on taxable income from $0 to $17,000, plus
• 15% on taxable income over $17,000 to $69,000, plus
• 25% on taxable income over $69,000 to $139,350, plus
• 28% on taxable income over $139,350 to $212,300, plus
• 33% on taxable income over $212,300 to $379,150, plus
• 35% on taxable income over $379,150.

#10.5-- 10.9 you all sound like a talk show on msnbc, you all on here could make commercials for the big 0!!!!!

the tax thing, he is not doing anything that any other rich guy is doing.

the 0 can talk a good game and the longer you all think that he even cares about then, the longer you all need to keep drinking what ever it is your drinking. he is a DINO, is all he will ever be, a talker NEVER A DO-er

the tax thing, he is not doing anything that any other rich guy is doing.

That is the point really. Why do I have to pay 30% in taxes on hard earned income that is merely fractions of what Romney earns but only pays 15% on? The picture is upside down.

And if it is a jobs creation thing I do not think a tax break that size is justified to employ one more accountant... seriously!!

#28.12--- so it is his fault that he only pays 15%. come on if you could you would too.

ask the big 0 why they still get g.w. tax cats. what a joke he has been, the big 0 that is.

#28.12--- so it is his fault that he only pays 15%. come on if you could you would too.

I did not say it was his fault - I just say it is wrong.

ask the big 0 why they still get g.w. tax cats.

The cuts were extended because otherwise millions of Americans would have lost unemployment benefits in the worst recession since the great depression that GW and his buds allowed to happen on their watch. You do recall they were tied into the same bill right?

when are ya all going to get tried of making excuses for this guy, oh it was the other guys fault. things have to be done and sometimes it is just not nice for all.

excuses excuses they have run out!!!!!!!!!!!

oh it was the other guys fault

Reality is a bitch sometimes 58rose!

It did not have to be. The hostage taking of the middle class resulted during the fight to raise the taxes on those making over a million at the end (I believe .7% of Americans) and no compromise from the right to be had.

Fla Pat--- more and yet more EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!!!

@!$%#ing newt isnt the tea party.

for the love of pete stop watching foxnews.

Everyone falls under the same tax laws, including Newt and people in the Tea party.

Both Romney and Obama fall under the same tax laws.

True, the difference being, Obama is trying to raise taxes on himself and other 1%'ers and Romney is trying to keep the tax rate the same or lower it even further. HUGE difference.

lol

the imagination........

Mr. Paul staggers down the mountain side, hair array, face dirty, brain hanging.

He is holding to large stones, in which, he patiently carved the US constitution

with his fingernails while hiding in the mountainous caves.

That's *Dr. Paul* and you forgot the part where he has spent the last 6 years delivering "Freedom Babies" up in the mountains.

An army of freedom babies! Yes!

Sorry, I tend to ramble upon awaking:)

I disagree w/ your Obama assessment. While I am disapointed w/ some action - the detention sh!T for one; overall Obama has had a good, clean run. Whenever progressives speak w/ the disdain I feel from your post, I have to wonder, is he really reflecting against Obama or the congress and Blue Dogs that rode in on his coattails and refused to suport him - ie Ben Nelson or Heath Shuler etc.

Why is it that progressive deride the over reach of the conservative lot of idiots currently in place, but feel that their ideas should just waltz thru? I really don't get it. And progressives that continue that line of thought may do more harm than good.

Obama has definitely been a disappointment,

Only if you had unrealistic hopes. Obama had to twist a pendulum that's been shoved rightward far against the grain of the public's beliefs. He's accomplished more in his 3 years than most Presidents manage in 8.

And most of what he does is for the long game. The short-term, gotcha-style mentality of politics (that has largely been ingrained on us by quick-draw-mcgraw style Republicans eager to get in, @!$%# @!$%# up, and get out fast), is not how Obama works.

Look to the long game. Obama is by far the most Progressive president we've had in a lifetime. He's just not very loud about advertising it, because he is trying not to spook the remains of the Confederacy.

I think he's done a BANG-UP job, and I will enthusiastically support him in November. Actually, I plan on knocking on doors in August and September.

This election is probably the most important one of my lifetime. This election is where we cast off the shell of the 20th century and find out if we're ready for the 21st. So many things have changed, and we have got to pull the levers of power out of the hands of folks who have no clue what we're getting into. Obama does.

The course to hell???? sorry...I want someone to change the course...not the status quo of obama and romney.

I get that Marshall. I just don't want to live in a world where I have to sue people to have my basics taken care of. That isn't a solution for me. Ron Paul scares me more than Romeny.

that is because you are afraid of freedom.....and the responsibility it brings...you have let the propaganda convince you that authoritarianism is a good thing...that independence is bad...that dependence is good.

they want you to be a child your whole life......dont be....stand up to the corporations and the elite and tell them...you do not want laws which supposedly help you but by some miracle always seem to help corporations.

stand up and tell them you will take care of your family...no matter what......that there is no stronger bond than that of a family and community. That no nanny state is going to replace your desire to be a free man/woman who has the right to make good and bad choices in their life.

that you are willing to help others.......to help them be independent.....

we are the only ones who can fix this....THE ONLY ONES.

government cant do it...the corporations cant do it.

only we can fix this by rejecting both and accepting FREEDOM.

PEACE.

No Marshall - I merely prefer an enlightened society. Oh - and I'm sort of centrist when it comes to the military. As in - I'm not a pacifist. But I am an OWS supporter - one of the 99%. I want the system to work for all of us: I don't want to chuck the system. I want them to own up to how they've let this country down: I want jail time. Ron Paul will give them all a pass.

he will give them all a pass????? really????

that is why they are throwing their money at him right???? wrong??? hmmmmmmmmm

so by not supporting the bailout which rewarded the rich in this country and victiimized the poor...he is against the poor and for the rich????????????

I LIKE YOUR THINKING!!!!!

obama hurts the poor..helps the rich...he is for the poor.

up is down, left is right......hey I am starting to like this!!!!!!!

I must say you do not know what you are talking about. Ron Paul believes people should pay for bad actions...and crimes against others....that is why lobbyists dont bother with him...and that is why corporations dont bother him.

here is something a progressive said about him.. enjoy.

Kucinich says: "I've worked with Ron Paul and I know he cannot be bought, cannot be bossed around, keeps his own counsel and is a person of conscience.

never once has he ever said that individuals or companies have the right to kill you or violate your body/property without recourse.

If he has said such thing....please link. and I will apologize.

but obamas actions said that very thing.....they raped the poor and middle class of this country...failed as companies...and his message...as it has been for decades....was...oh its ok...here is some more money from the poor and middle class.....wink wink....and just so they dont get too upset...we will tell them....this is for their own good.

that always works....it has for the last 100 years.

never once has he ever said that individuals or companies have the right to kill you or violate your body/property without recourse.

You mean sue after the fact - not good enough.

And I have to ask - isn't the fact that Ron Paul is running as a Republican tell you something?

Here's his list of top donors:

US Army$78,056

US Navy$56,769

US Air Force$55,405

Google Inc$52,801

Microsoft Corp$47,923

US Postal Service$26,591

Hewlett-Packard$25,318

Lockheed Martin$23,425

Cisco Systems$23,007

Boeing Co$22,434

Verizon Communications$19,944

Wachovia Corp$19,629

US Dept of Defense$19,198

General Dynamics$18,506

AT&T Inc$17,946

Northrop Grumman$16,907

JPMorgan Chase & Co$16,072

Apple Inc$15,903

Raytheon Co$15,830

General Electric$15,000

A self-proclaimed anti-war candidate with his top three donors from the military. He just seems like another well-connected good old boy from Texas to me. Which would be fine, but what comes out of his mouth is truly frightening. That's a double whammy IMO.

he gets the most from the military becaue they dont want to be in war!!!!!!!

that is from individuals!!!!

goodness...here you go again...up is down....he is antiwar....so if military gives him money that means he wants war.

for the love of pete!!!!!!

so lets look at Obama now

University of California
$1,648,685

Goldman Sachs
$1,013,091

Harvard University
$878,164

Microsoft Corp
$852,167

Google Inc
$814,540

JPMorgan Chase & Co
$808,799

Citigroup Inc
$736,771

Time Warner
$624,618

Sidley Austin LLP
$600,298

Stanford University
$595,716

National Amusements Inc
$563,798

WilmerHale LLP
$550,668

Columbia University
$547,852

Skadden, Arps et al
$543,539

UBS AG
$532,674

IBM Corp
$532,372

General Electric
$529,855

US Government
$513,308

Morgan Stanley
$512,232

Latham & Watkins
$503,295

lets see...banks, media, insurance companies, weapons industry.

whats interesting is that in the top there is UBS...which is a foreign bank.....hmmmmmmmmm

besides....did you see the amounts given to each????...did you look at the history of the banks and the media and see who they give the most too????

also...when it comes to the colleges...no wonder costs are going up so much that the people cant afford it.

and recourse after a crime has been committed is not good enough?? are you listening to yourself talk here???

have you seen the movie minority report???..

goodness man.

“Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.”-Ron Paul

he gets the most from the military becaue they dont want to be in war!!!!!!!

Seriously? Why so? Why make themselves obsolete? What proof have you to make such a claim?

Yes, I fully admit that Obama is a part of the status quo. But he is the sanest and, let's face it, the most pro middle class of the lot. You said Ron Paul was different from the status quo. I'm pointing out he isn't. AND he's a crazy coot to boot! WADR (With All Due Respect) No thanks.

And frankly, until we get money out of our political process, there are no politicians who are exempt from corruption - including Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is part of the status quo???

goodness man.

there is nothing more to say........

obama will win..you will be happy...and all will be well.

that is because you are afraid of freedom.

Marshall, Ron Paul does NOT automatically bring freedom with him wherever he goes.

His ideas DO NOT WORK.

Ron Paul is part of the status quo???

YES HE IS. My GOD how blind can you be? In what way has Ron Paul materially affected the status quo? Ever?

He's a very noisy little man but that IS ALL HE IS. How come you have such a bizarre reverence for this ancient misfit whose entire life is nothing but a collection of coulda-beens?

He has had 76 years to get his vision in order. He obviously lacks any power or persuasive ability, since his fan base levels out so high and never higher.

obama will win..you will be happy...and all will be well.

Yes. Obama has done more to upset the status quo than any President since FDR.

That is why there is such a concerted right-wing campaign to remove him.

lol

obama is just a puppet...he is the messenger of a bigger picture. I could personally care less about the fool...I am looking at a bigger picture.....I would just assume having him in there vs romney...doesnt make a damn bit of difference to me.

this isnt about him...this is about something larger.

and that you just dont get.....keep watching msnbc.....they will give you all the truth you need.

He has had 76 years to get his vision in order. He obviously lacks any power or persuasive ability, since his fan base levels out so high and never higher.

IMO - he has gotten LESS persuasive as the years have gone by. We've just become more tolerant because, let's face it - he's too old to argue with anymore.

Yes. Obama has done more to upset the status quo than any President since FDR.

Glad somebody else sees this too. But he is well funded by Wall Street. I know he has Masters too.

Just a question to all the Ron Paul lovers/conservatives who are also OWS supporters: why not Buddy Roemer? He seems to fit the bill much better than Paul.

Buddy who? Buddy Roemer? Never heard of him.

I can not see a POTUS named "Buddy". For some reason Paulie Shore's tag lines of "Hey Buddy ...no wheezing the juice" keeps popping into my mind. Not sure if that mean I need more sleep or more caffeine.

PAULY SHORE

LMAO

thanks for the laugh....ohhhh priceless.....yea buddy reamer....not a chance man.

Poor Buddy Roemer - he never gets any love.