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Time to "Get my SSI" --> TOP 10 LIST

Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:08 AM EST
fraud, obesity, abuse, back-pain, us-news, misconduct, addiction, depression, fat, disability, personal-injury, ssi, laziness, morbidly-obese, lazy-people
By Moby's ManCave
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In the 80's it was Dire Straits and "I want my MTV."  Now is it "Get my SSI?"  I was driving down the interstate the other day and saw the billboard with the law firm advertising and promising SSI disabilty benifits to those who had been denied.  Their motto or slogan was "Get My SSI!"

 

I work and take care of patients in the emergency department.  The other day I was taking care of a healthy looking 23-year old female with "chronic" low back.  This was by her account, she had never seen a doctor before, she had no history of back pain, cancer, scoliois or anything else that would cause "chronic" low back pain.  Anyway, my exam was normal, her xrays and lab were normal and when I explained the results to her, she simply said, "that's okay, my lawyer said I'll still get my SSI."  WTF?!?!

 

Of course she had multiple tattoos, body piercings and reeked of Marlboro Reds, and spent the majority of my history taking and exam on her cell phone.  Yes I am judging her... by her presentation, chief complaint, and her comments regarding SSI disabilty benifits and the fact that she jumped up from the exam table and walked without difficulty out of the ER on high heels.  People with serious back pain don't jump... and walking on high heels would be torture.

 

Over the years spent in the emergency department I have see some ridiculous... sometimes just downright pathetic reasons for people to be on disability.  Don't get me wrong, if you deserve it and need it, then fine... you should have that kind of support.  It's the characters that abuse the system that I'm talking about.

 

I have included below my top 10 list of the top offenders and, in my opinion, the biggest losers abusing the system.  These were former patients I saw, interviewed and examined in my emergency department.  Enjoy! :)

 

 

TOP 10 LOSERS (in my book) on disability:

1) 21-year old male, never had a job, on no medications, spent most of his time smoking marijuana and playing video games, was not getting counseling, did not have a doctor and was on disability for being depressed.

2) 25-year old female, obese without history of thyroid problems, cholesterol problems, digestion or GI problems, no history of diabetes, eating a bag of chips in the exam room and in the ER to get her oxycontin refilled... on disability for being overweight.  On no medications except oxycontin (for her feet?).

3) 49-year old male, smoker (2 packs a day for 32 years), with history of a "heart attack" in the past (normal coronary angiogram 1 month ago), on no meds, takes no aspirin, still smokes 2 packs a day and on disability for a "bad" heart.

4) 30-year old female, diabetic on insulin (and it works, no hospital admissions, no problems, no complications), no other medical problems and no other meds, on disability for being a diabetic.

5) 29-year old female with history of anxiety, takes xanax and abuses narcotics... has been arrested for selling her prescriptions, on disabilty for her "nerves."  She also has 4 kids in DHS custody. 

6) 28-year old male, has history of kidney stones and no other medical problems, on no meds, has no doctor and has not had a kidney stone in over 6 years (in fact, after some checking I found out he had only 2 stones in the past), on disability for... you guessed it, kidney stones!

7) 32-year old female with history of pelvic inflamatory disease (PID - you get it from having sex without protection and you get an STD - sexually transmitted disease), she had multpile visits to the ER and community clinic for PID and STD's, but still kept getting them again... I wonder why?  She had previous CT's and ultrasounds that were normal.  Anyway, she was on disability for chronic "pelvic" pain.

8) 24-year old male with psoriasis... wait a minute, isn't that just a rash?  I believe it is not painful, just a little uncomfortable... anyway, this guy was on disability for his "rash."

9) 54-year old female with emphysema, you know, the chronic lung disorder characterized by wheezing and caused by being a long-time smoker.  Well, she still smoked... a lot, and was on disability for "lung" problems.

Drum roll please...

10) 28-year old male with history of... well, nothing.  No previous medical record, no history of surgeries, no history of trauma, no mental health history, no medications, no doctor, and also... no clue as to why he was on disability.  When I asked him why he was on disability he just shrugged his ahoulders and said, "I don't know?  My momma got me on disability when I wuz a kid."  WTF?  Sheeeesh!!!

 

So, where's my SSI?  I have back pain, I get depressed, I have a history of addiction, I have stress in my life, I've paid into social security for over 25 years... I want my SSI!!! 

 

(DISCLAIMER: I do not support cuts to entitlement programs, period.  I do support finding ways to reduce and eliminate the fraud and abuse of a system intended to help those in need.  Whether you are a doctor, a lawyer or a patient… if you are abusing the system, you should be brought to justice.)

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28-year old male with history of... well, nothing. No previous medical record, no history of surgeries, no history of trauma, no mental health history, no medications, no doctor, and also... no clue as to why he was on disability. When I asked him why he was on disability he just shrugged his ahoulders and said, "I don't know? My momma got me on disability when I wuz a kid."

WTF? Sheeeesh!!!

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:09 AM EST
SuckerFish

Don't applicants have to go to several doctors for diagnosis on several symptoms, or one serious medical problem before submitting information to an investigator?

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:32 AM EST
Moby's ManCave

"Disability" is not a medical diagnosis... it is a legal "diagnosis" and the patients (clients) perception of what they can or cannot do.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:34 AM EST
teresa-498430

the patients (clients) perception of what they can or cannot do.

It is disingenuous at best to claim it is that easy. SSI is not awarded on that basis. Guess again.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:39 AM EST
scar_tissue

Um, yeah....PID is not caused *from having unprotected sex*. Actually one of the most common causes is having *protected sex*, as using an IUD for birth control has been proven to make women more prone to it. PID is caused by the transmission of bacteria to the reproductive tract. This can be accomplished by something as simple as douching or not washing hands b4 inserting a tampon. Or sometimes contracting chlamydia or gonorrhea, which does not necessarily translate to *unprotected sex*. Women who have symptoms of PID most commonly have lower abdominal pain. Other signs and symptoms include fever, unusual vaginal discharge that may have a foul odor, painful intercourse, painful urination, irregular menstrual bleeding, & pain in the right upper abdomen. Scarring in the fallopian tubes & other pelvic structures can also cause chronic pelvic pain. Women with repeated episodes of PID are more likely to suffer infertility, ectopic pregnancy, &/or chronic pelvic pain. Anyone who doesn't think chronic pain (I mean, c'mon, we're talking feeling like knives are being rammed up there, in addition to painful peeing & periods) is debilitating enough to be a disability hopefully doesn't work for SSA or is in a position to evaluate a patient's conditions for them.

Psoriasis is not *just a rash*. It's an automimmune disorder (that person has a weakened immune system & is now more likely to become sick). When a person has one autoimmune disorder, usually other ones will *piggyback* onto the original one & follow, giving a person several chronic conditions. Psoriasis is huge patches of thick, scaly, silvety-pink skin, which itches, tingles, & flakes off. It also can cause severe joint pain, skin infections, skin cancer, genital lesions in men, severe dandruff, make one's nails become deformed or fall off entirely, & is sometimes accompanied by oozing pustules. You really want that person to be asking you if you want fries w/ that?

The guy who didn't know was probably on AFDC at some pt as a child. If a child has been diagnosed w/ any kind of learning disability (ADD, ADHD, ODD, autism, Asperger's, hearing/vision/speech impaired are just some) & takes SPED classes, DSS will literally hand the parent an application for SSI & make them apply as a condition of receiving assistance. Somebody at SSA looked over what the kid's pediatrician & tchrs had to say & approved it. There are periodic re-evals for disability, so apparently whatever was wrong w/ him as a kid now prevents him from working at more than substantial gain.

Depression & anxiety are valid reasons for receiving disability. It doesn''t have an age limit & can be extremely debilitating. Ever see anyone have a full-fledged panic attack? It ain't pretty. Using narcotics illegally or smoking pot is a known way to *self-medicate* w/ these conditions. They don't need scorn, they need a better shrink.

Just b/c you *perceive* someone is *undeserving* b/c you think they brought on a real medical condition by a habit of which you disapprove (ie, smoking) doesn't mean they don't have genuine medical issues & doesn't mean smoking was the cause of it. OSHA wasn't always in the workplace & plenty of older ppl who have never smoked contracted chronic lung diseases from inhaling fumes we now know are toxic, or can have heart attacks due to a genetic predisposition like atherolsclerosis. Smoking doesn't *cause* everything.

This is full of ingenuous *talking pts* to purposely create bias. The person doesn't even have the program right for a lot of these. SSI is Supplemental Security Income; it's given to ppl who have been disabled from birth or at a very young age, or who became disabled so young that they didn't have sufficient *quarters* in, & to, as the name implies, supplement the income of those whose SSD (Social Security Disability) doesn't reach poverty level. SSD is given to ppl who have worked long enough to acquire those 17 quarters, tho it may be supplemented w/ a sm amt of SSI to get them to what SSA terms *the SSI standard* of the princely sum of $785/mo on which to subsist. I think the max anyone can collect out of SSD regardless of lifetime earnings is $1200/mo.

And you *want your SSI*? LOL It's not a fortune. Don't give up that day job judging others, I'm sure it pays much better than SSD or SSI does.

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:47 PM EST
Moby's ManCave

PID is not caused from having unprotected sex...

PID is caused from the migration of STD causing organisms (i.e. chlamydia, trich, gonorrhea, etc) from the vagina to the uterus and into the fallopian tubes. An IUD may increase the incidence of PID, but they do not cause it. Also, having an IUD does not protect you from STD's... so it is "unprotected" intercourse.

Depression & anxiety are valid reasons for receiving disability.

No comment except take your medications, do what your therapist asks of you and get a job.

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:32 PM EST
teresa-498430

moby,

No comment except take your medications, do what your therapist asks of you and get a job

wow, Typical if someone presents the facts you decide to attack them. Your assumptions followed by your insults aimed at another viner are uncalled for, unfounded , a COH violation and leave me with a bad taste in mouth.

In response to your article I have a question. Why do you target the most vulnerable in our society to spread untruths about? Does it feed your ego, or what?

  • 1 vote
#2.5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:38 PM EST
Moby's ManCave

teresa-498430

My response was not directed at anyone (including Newsviners) except previous patients, like the examples I gave in my article. One in particular, the one with depression, sought no help, had no doctor, took no meds and had a history of non-compliance with multiple therapists... therapists that were well respected in the medical community.

If that patient had taken his meds as prescribed, followed the advice of his therpapist, kept regular appointments with his PCP, then maybe (and this could be a huge stretch on my part) he could "rise above" his non-apparent depression and lead a normal life... including getting a job.

No CoH violation was commited and please read the article before commenting though, because it is obvious you have not. I will show you:

Why do you target the most vulnerable in our society to spread untruths about? Does it feed your ego, or what?

OMG, are you serious? You are insulting me and it is obvious you have not read the article, including the disclaimer. These were my patients, my examples... so what "untruths" are you talking about?

  • 5 votes
#2.6 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:55 PM EST
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Grisham

People with serious back pain don't jump... and walking on high heels would be torture.

I dressed up as a woman one year for halloween. Let me tell you, high heels are torture ALL of the time, whether you have back pain or not!

Yeah, people who scam the system are annoying. I remember years ago living next to a welefare couple who had a brand new car and drank beer all day while I took a bus and worked. Ain't life grand sometimes?

People who need a hand up deserve it but not those that constantly need a hand out for no good reason.

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:40 AM EST
58rose

Grisham you are so right, up here i could take you to at least 12 people that don't deserve what they get from the government. i don't know how they do it or live with it.

  • 7 votes
#3.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:45 AM EST
Moby's ManCave

I just added a disclaimer above to help folks understand my position on this a little better. I firmly believe it is the responsibility of any society to help those in need, whether they can't find employment, or lost their job, or if they are poor and have kids, or if they are injured and somehow medically disabled and because of that disability they cannot find employment. Those folks definitely need our help. The "bad apples", which include corrupt doctors and lawyers as well as "patients" and "clients" who are malingering, should go to jail or get fined for taking advantage of a system meant to help those in need. It's stealing and they should be prosecuted for it… IMHO. :)

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:43 AM EST
scar_tissue

I dressed up as a woman one year for halloween.

I so want pix of that :P

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:51 PM EST
scar_tissue

The "bad apples", which include corrupt doctors and lawyers as well as "patients" and "clients" who are malingering, should go to jail or get fined for taking advantage of a system meant to help those in need.

Malingering? Use of that term implies there is something medically wrong w/ someone, they're just refusing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps & go back to work & suffer thru it. A very good friend of mine died just over 2 yrs ago, having been misdiagnosed w/ asthma for yrs, & *exaggerating* it at that, when she'd really picked up a terminal case of COPD from working in a factory & being exposed to toxic fumes....after she fled an abusive marriage & chose to support her 2 kids working a crappy menial job rather than *go on welfare*. And she went back there to work after her 2nd husband died from another one of those malingerers' diseases on the list, diabetes. And her anxiety disorder from not being able to freakin' breathe properly just made her an even bigger *drama queen*. She wasn't correctly diagnosed until just 3 yrs b4 she died, when it was too damn late to do anything but hand her an oxygen tank & go, ooops, guess she wasn't malingering after all, huh?

Malingering. That pisses me off. There's no rhyme or reason to SSA. There's ppl close to retirement age who have 20 different things wrong w/ them fighting SSA for 5-6 yrs, just to get the piddly little benefit they pd into for 30+ yrs. And now they don't even get pd back to date of onset, but to date of last denial. Yeah, ooops, that date we said you weren't crippled, guess you were, but we're still not going to pay you all the way back to when you got that way. Makes no sense at all.

Nobody would go thru the torment the US govt puts them thru for half a decade or more to get approved if they were malingering. Not for the little bit they finally get, not to have SSA up their ass for the rest of their miserable existence, not to never have any financial worth more than $2K, not to slide down into poverty & have the US govt force them to stay there by making them piss away all that *back pay* within 9 mos or else they then have *too much $* & can get cut off! The apocryphal tales of ppl on disability w/ 42" plasma TVs are all true, but only b/c the US govt won't allow ppl to save the $ they unjustly denied them. They have to blow it on stupid @!$%# & present the receipts to prove it.

About as many ppl *take advantage of the system* of disability as there are those who take advantage of the system of social services....about 1% or so. There's no epidemic of malingerers. This person is full of it.

  • 2 votes
#3.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:16 PM EST
Moby's ManCave

Nobody would go thru the torment the US govt puts them thru for half a decade or more to get approved if they were malingering

Nobody?

Malingering? Use of that term implies there is something medically wrong w/ someone

No it doesn't, that is why it's called malingering... the only thing wrong is they are abusing the healthcare system for secondary gain. Look it up.

  • 3 votes
#3.5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:14 PM EST
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Arkansas Gloria

I have a multitude of actual physical issues that would qualify me in 'a heartbeat', but why take money from all those that you have met, Grisham, that really need it???

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:49 AM EST
Grisham

I'm not sure what you're asking, Arkansas?

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:35 AM EST
Moby's ManCave

We gotta help folks out… it's part of a modern society. I don't want to be apart of a system that "punishes" the poor and medically disadvantaged. So, I'm not sure what you are getting at Arkansas. I haven't met you, but if you needed assistance for a legitimate reason, well then I believe you should get it.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:02 AM EST
Arkansas Gloria

Forgive me- oops!!! My reply was in jest- sarcasm as to the abuse of the system that is happening , but I typed Grisham, when the reply was to be directed to Moby's ManCave. What I was saying is that there is terrible abuse of the system. I do not need to go and start SSI right now, only that many DO have legitimate issues they COULD file on- yet these people who were highlighted here are obviously ones that have hired the right attorneys!

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:31 AM EST
Moby's ManCave

- yet these people who were highlighted here are obviously ones that have hired the right attorneys!

Thanks Arkansas for your comments and you are right, there are "attorneys" who make an incredible living "signing" folks up and getting them in the "system."

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:50 AM EST
American Dreams

Scammers, users and abusers have no shame!

And people I know need SSI and had hell getting it. A friend has been t-boned three times in 20 years by drunks and people running red lights. Her back from the base of her skull to her tail bone is a mess of pins, wires and cages. She's endured a minimum of 8 surgeries since I have known her, has a pain pump, suffers from peripheral neuropathy in her hands, feet and legs. She can not even have the luxury of taking a shower alone in her house anymore becasue she falls she can not get up without help. She can no longer drive, cannot hold a job because she can not sit or stand longer then 15 minutes without her legs going numb. And the people at SSI told her she didn't qualify! A foot high stack of medical reports and she didn't qualify? WTF !!!! Took hiring a SSI lawyer to get past the screener and be assigned a Case worker. But trust me no one on SSI is getting rich and living high on the hog.

  • 3 votes
#4.5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:10 PM EST
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AmericanMOM-598098

There are so many children with parents having them diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, Bi-Polar disorder, etc, and collecting an SSI check for them. It's ridiculous! I am addicted to my computer and Newsvine. It has hampered my ability to maintain a job situation. I want my SSI!/s What happened to pride in work and being healthy?

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:08 AM EST
teresa-498430

What happened to pride in work and being healthy?

It still exists. I see it all around me and am sorry that you don't.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:43 AM EST
scar_tissue

There are so many children with parents having them diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, Bi-Polar disorder, etc, and collecting an SSI check for them.

No, there aren't. The only ones who are would be kids whose mother applied for social services, b/c DSS always looks for an *alternative income source* if they can get away w/ not paying anything. My 19 yo niece is ADHD & my brother never got a penny of SSI for her. My son was LD/SI & I never got SSI for him, either. Most ppl don't even know that's possible, except for the ones who are directed there by DSS.

Bipolar doesn't even manifest itself until a kid hits puberty & often takes yrs to diagnose correctly, b/c initially it's passed off as rebellious teen behavior, not mental illness. Any dr who say a pre-pubescent child is bipolar is an idiot b/c it can't be definitively diagnosed that young. So if it can't be, then SSAs not going to accept it.

Most kids who receive SSI do so for 1 of 3 reasons: they have a deceased parent, or a disabled parent, or were born w/ or developed a physical disability.

And don't forget, unlike SSD, which is based upon one's wages, SSI is a means-tested program. That means if the parent's income is more than the SSI standard for family size, they're going to get a denial on the initial app even if the child is severely disabled. If they get approval & their income rises, SSI will steadily decrease accordingly until there is no more.

I know a woman who's dying of metastized breast cancer. She was a SAHM beginning from her mid-30s & had only been back in the workforce for a yr when diagnosed, so she's ineligible for SSD b/c she only had 4 quarters & her quarters from her 20s had expired, & was denied SSI even tho she can't work b/c her husband makes too much $. She was in the military as a nurse b4 she had kids, for Pete's sake, & even as a veteran of the Vietnam era she can't get squat from the govt.

It's much harder to get SSD or SSI than ppl seem to think. If the US govt can find a loophole that will allow a denial, they'll use it.

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:36 PM EST
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Lukepccpa

This is the great condumrum with the welfare net. Republicans view those receiving benefits as undeserving gamers of the system. Democrats view those receiving beneifits as noble and victims of circumstances beyond their control. The truth actually falls somewhere in betweeen.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:23 AM EST
Moby's ManCave

Agreed. I will say this though, the Republicans and the Democrats need to get their ducks in a row and start working together to make things better for all of us… and that includes cracking down on abuse and fraud, and making sure those that need and deserve entitlements get them.

  • 5 votes
#6.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:26 AM EST
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ambivalent

It sounds like two things (at least) Moby. It is possible that there could be mental incapacities that make these people not fit for work, and also there are lots of people who were placed on SSI as children, some misdiagnosed by incompetent or shady doctors. There are lots of hidden factors.

I served for years in an environment that fed and housed people of all ages, many on SSI. Others were not and should have been. As an advocate for a few of the latter I can tell you that it takes a lot of clout to get government disability insurance. Some never get it, some are so obese that they literally eat their way into it, etc. etc. The story of government assistance is huge and varied, and fraught with inconsistencies that often come from policy changes (but people who get grandfathered), tricky and sticky loopholes and of course just plain oversight. Most who have it deserve it. It is the ones who do not that stand out, unfortunately. But don't forget the unseen issues.

Always a pleasure to chat with you Moby. Stay strong.

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:46 AM EST
mstanley2265

My late husband's nephew was 9. I found out that the school (teacher) had told his mother that he had a 'problem' and she should apply for SSI for him. His problem, he needed glasses. I went to the school for something else and met the teacher, I asked her why in the world would you tell her that? She said they need the money. I said Not. I know them better than you do. I told her You know that he'll be on SSI the rest of his life, right? She said Oh, no, just until he's 18.

This from a College Educated teacher. I told her lady, you need to read the stipulations, it's Forever. His sister needed glasses too. I pushed and he pushed and they finally got her glasses. She didn't go on SSI and graduated HS, has a job making money. While her brother doesn't work. Sad isn't it?

The added caveat, the school got 'extra' money for each and every child that was listed as 'special needs'. Needless to say, a lot of children found themselves in special needs classes that only needed glasses. And still didn't get the glasses.

He's 26, still on SSI and still needs glasses. But since he was labelled 'special needs' taken out of regular classes and put into 'special needs' classes, doesn't know a blessed thing. When someone can't read, write or understand most instructions, there you go.

I wouldn't doubt, not one bit, that there are a lot of children in the past couple of decades that were labelled and put on SSI that needed a little 'extra' or simply glasses (boys especially are prone to farsightedness in grade school) and don't get the extra and don't get the corrective glasses but do get the SSI and put in special needs classes.

  • 6 votes
Reply#8 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:37 AM EST
ambivalent

Incredible story, wow! Teachers like that need a huge reprimand. What was that extra money for, special ed?

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:11 AM EST
mstanley2265

welll, not exactly, I found out after digging through the budgets, that a percentage went to the regular classes, and a percentage to administration. Considering the classroom for the special needs, a lot more went somewhere else. The upshot was that the state came in and Made them spend more on the special needs. It only took about 5 school years though. sighhh.

The parents were Not equipped to deal with the administration or the teachers. They didn't know the Questions to ask. By the time we moved though more parents were demanding Answers. Now, I'm back in the KY and there has been a lot more done.

I've dealt with the Farsighted issue for a long time. I still cannot believe that a University or College educated, licensed teacher or school administrator.... does not understand what Farsightedness actually Means. I've had More than one tell me, but they passed the school eye exam. Yeah, that eye test is for Nearsighted not for Farsighted. geez...

Boys are especially prone to Farsightedness around 3rd or 4th grade, what I consider crucial learning years. There are Pediatric Ophthalmologists, it's not that difficult to find one. So, if a boy starts having problems in those grades and I find out about it, I tell the mom take them have them checked for farsightedness. Several came back with corrective glasses.

One mom, a relative by marriage said that her boy Slept with the glasses on so he could 'see' when he wore up. How sad is that? And yes, the 'school' had sent home a notice that she should sign him up on SSI and were going to place him in 'special needs' classes. With his glasses, that idea got dumped Real fast. He graduated HS. :)

In Kentucky as of 2008 and updated 2010....29,666 children were receiving SSI benefits. Those benefits are For Life....

The average benefit for children on SSI....$500.00. parents/guardians of over a million children receive SSI.

There are children that do Really need the SSI benefits for life. And there are children pushed into the system because of the Adults in their lives both at school and at home. It is truly sad for those children.

  • 6 votes
#8.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:39 AM EST
ambivalent

I have a grandson in the fourth grade who just recently got a pair of eyeglasses - he loves them. This is really yet another issue on the books for teachers and their influences on children and also on government expenditures. We have to be so careful when we allow someone to "label" our children.

  • 4 votes
#8.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:48 AM EST
mstanley2265

too true, if the parents Don't know the questions to ask, their child could wind up on SSI for life and where does that get them as a contributing member of society?

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#8.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:51 AM EST
scar_tissue

Those benefits are For Life....

It's only *for life* if A) the parental income remains low while the child is still a minor due to the means-tested platform, & B) the re-eval that should take place when the child becomes of legal age indicates a disability still exists. If not, then it stops right there, get a job.

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#8.5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:48 PM EST
mstanley2265

It is the how it should work, though a lot of times it doesn't....The ones I know, the parent is on SS disability or SSi or both of them are..fairly easy to figure out the child will stay on it and does.

I've often wondered how many children are labelled just because the parent or parents have a disability.

  • 4 votes
#8.6 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:55 PM EST
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Steven of Coulterville

Let me start off by saying that while I am not a medical professional, I did work in a hospital for several years. I was a sort of QA troubleshooter, and I had to read through medical records, and, among other things, compile statistics on what I found.

I can't remember how very many people kept showing up at the ER complaining of imaginary problems, just hoping they'd be able to show the government that they were disabled. It was rather disheartening to see how many of them succeeded.

There I was, working away, in constant pain from my spina bifida, arthritis, and scoliosis, knowing I'd eventually have to quit working as my problems were worsening, wondering if there'd be any money left for when I would need it.

Eventually I was forced to retire. For several years I lived off of the small income from a family trust (and it was really small), until the trust ran out. Then I applied for SSD, and was denied. After some 6 long years of fighting SSA, I was granted a day in court. The ALJ (Adjudicating Law Judge) looked at my records, asked me a few questions, looked at me for a while, and a month later I was on SSI. The income is definitely below the poverty level, the health insurance (Medi-Cal) is sub-par, and the rule is that I can have no more than $2,000 in assets. But...it's money, and it is insurance, and it's got to be enough.

It truly angers me to know that people who are drug addicts, overweight, and have kidney stones are considered to be disabled. That is an insult to those of us who really are disabled. It's an insult to those of us who worked until they had to force us out, purely from concern for our health.

I am severely annoyed at the losers in the article.

Moby, thank you for giving people a look at the state of SSI.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:07 PM EST
Moby's ManCave

Steven, I am grateful for you. Thank you for sharing your story and I wish you the best. I cannot begin to imagine what you have been through and what you have to endure now. My heart goes out to you.

You could have written this article, in fact a much better one as you have experienced first hand both sides of the story. The folks that work the system to their advantage are stealing from people like you. It angers me. Instead of flipping out and going on a binge (I'm an alcoholic), I write about it... expose the truth and hope those that read it understand how horrible these actions are.

I hope this is a good year for you and if there is ever anything I could do for you, please let me know.

Best Regards ~ Moby's ManCave

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#9.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:46 PM EST
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Steven of Coulterville

Moby, thank you.

I live my life, and with the help of conversations with my friends, both on and offline, things are pretty much okay. Here on the Newsvine, I've had so many great laughs, talking to people who live in far off places, and even a few who live close by. The pain I live with, well, it's a familiar companion. You just have to find something productive to do, and try to avoid getting depressed about the whole thing.

As for writing about my experiences, well, I prefer to do it in this form, rather than by writing articles. This feels more, well, personal, and that's an important thing for me. You did an excellent job with the article, and I hope to see more in the future.

I'm happy that your new way to "flip out" is working for you. Instead of destroying your mind and body with alcohol, you've chosen to expand your mind and that of others. I'd say that hitting the keyboard is probably a better thing than hitting a bottle, any day.

As for doing something for me, well, please accept my FR, and keep on writing these articles. I'm having an okay year; in fact, so far it's been a good bit better than the last few (even a modest income really helps, there, lol).

As my favorite Vulcan might say - Live Long and Prosper, Moby

Steven

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Reply#10 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:49 AM EST
Moby's ManCave

Thanks so much Steven, FR gladly accepted! :)

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#10.1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:40 AM EST
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